36 comments on “P:R Approved: Aaron Diaz’ Batman & Friends!
  1. I still say that unless you miraculously decide to give her life back (see also: Todd, Jason), I like Babs better as a handicapped badass bookworm than nearly cyborg. Even though she probably has the resources and the know-how to allow herself to walk, I still prefer her as she is.

  2. I like each of these equally because they all have some cool details. My only criticism would be that Batman & Batgirl have a consistent modern look while (Red)Robin seems to be from another era altogether.

    Oh, and could Barbara Gordon look any less interested? She might perk up if that exoskeleton thing had a built-in computer interface of some kind … or maybe it’s just uncomfortable to wear. Why does it extend to her arms? I thought she had full use of her upper body?

  3. I like the concept of that man-of-action Batman, the detective Red Robin (but I don’t understand his costume), the technological supervisor Oracle and the long range sidekick Batgirl (even if her mask’s ears looks like Catwoman’s). The sidekicks are not just “mini-Batmen”, but if it’s a “Team Batman”, I miss Nightwing and a younger Robin.

  4. Batgirl’s winking goggle lens is a terrific detail.
    Not a fan of Batman’s ninja toes, but it wouldn’t be very hard to get used to.
    Placing the braces on Oracle’s body to emphasize her figure without slutting her up… very nice.

    I’m not so familiar with a lot of the Bat family, and I know absolutely nothing about Red Robin. So dressing one specific member of a team contrary to their streamlined ninja-like theme seems strange and could be pretty jarring for a reader. Looking at this character as a former protege of Batman, someone who’s probably trying to remove himself from the sidekick image, I can dig it. Also, a kid left to his own devices, who sees himself as a master detective, is probably going to try to dress like a badass detective.

  5. Jack: ‘Batgirl is Batman’s largely unseen assistant, providing nonlethal cover fire (blanks, darts, gas, rubber bullets, etc.) and overal tactical support when they’re out fighting crime.’ Is Batman really any better when he’s going through three dozen miniature bat-shaped throwing knives a night? How has some thug not yet bled out when a batarang nicked an artery?

  6. I really like the almost Spirit-like style of Robin, a nearly-non-costume plus mask/gloves. The rest really works out to be a tightly-plotted group in the overall reboot. I’m a fan.

  7. Red Robin, conceived this way, seems like a character who — unlike any canonical version of Robin — could actually sustain his own book. This is nice, and his look is by far my favourite. Admittedly it seems like this conception of him basically attributes Batman’s sleuthing persona to another character; to a purist this would seem a lessening of Batman, and it is, but then as a non-purist I find Batman to be absurdly omni-competent anyway and it’s more interesting to spread out the important skills amongst the Bat-clan.

  8. Arsnof: Is Batman really any better when he’s going through three dozen miniature bat-shaped throwing knives a night? How has some thug not yet bled out when a batarang nicked an artery?

    You’re missing the whole point about Batman. He despises guns, in particular, becuase it was a gun that killed his parents. This is not about lethality. This is about a specific aversion.
    Additionally, the Batman never kills. But that’s aside of the point here.

    No guns on the Bat-crew!

  9. Cool designs I’ve been staring at for a bit, love the non-team look for Robin and makes total sense after reading the artist’s rework of him. Would love to see Damian and the Rogues in this universe.

  10. You guys do know that Red Robin is Tim Drake (aka the third Robin), right? Once he got older and decided to drop the Robin codename, he adapted a new costume and alter ego.

  11. I think I would prefer Alan’s alternate take on Batman and Robin over these. The main problem I have with the above designs is that Batgirl and (Red) Robin and Oracle look so unique and interesting that they overshadow Batman himself. And Batman doesn’t belong in anyone’s shadow.

  12. damn. I absolutely LOVE that Batgirl!

    And I really think that concept for Babs seems much more interesting than the current one.

  13. Freelancer: You’re missing the whole point about Batman. He despises guns, in particular, becuase it was a gun that killed his parents. This is not about lethality. This is about a specific aversion.
    Additionally, the Batman never kills. But that’s aside of the point here.
    No guns on the Bat-crew!

    I get what you’re saying… But I always thought it was funny how Batman was all against guns, UNLESS it’s on the Batmobile, or Bat Plane, or Bat Cycle… All of those have had guns and rockets and such. It doesn’t bother me or anything. I just think it’s funny.

  14. This Red Robin seems like he could really fit into the DCU as a unique character. He seems like a good pulp character that could fit into the DCU and the Bat family but would be a different and non redundant character. Please lords of DC! Make Time Drake into the badass and interesting hero I know he can be.

    I love how the new DCU has some new types of superhero books. Animal Man, Frankenstein, Wonder Woman, Grifter, Demon Knights, and many others are all a different take on the super hero other than the simple tights fighting colorful baddies take. I think this THIS Red Robin, as a very pulp style of superhero, could add to that new tone.

  15. Chris A.:
    Batman may not use guns often, but he has used guns in the past.

    True, but that was half a dozen re-definitions of the character ago, in grimmer times, when super-heroism was still in its infancy. I had a reprint of the “new look”-Batman, with a commentary from Carmine Infantino, in which he admitted that he was totally wrong about drawing a gun in Batman’s hand. And that was WAAAY back in 1964. So, even THEN it was common standard that Batman doesn’t wield or tolerate guns.

  16. Batman also used a gun in the current Odyssey series, as well as the recent First Wave crossover. It isn’t common, but it isn’t totally out of the question even in the current continuity.

  17. Bryan: I still say that unless you miraculously decide to give her life back (see also: Todd, Jason), I like Babs better as a handicapped badass bookworm than nearly cyborg. Even though she probably has the resources and the know-how to allow herself to walk, I still prefer her as she is.

    Except it doesn’t work in the context of the universe and never has. I get in arguments all the time with a friend of mine about this. In a world of super advanced science, magic and aliens- the idea that major diseases, paralysis or limb loss don’t have a cure or even a treatment is ludicrous. Cyborg had a solid 60+% of his body replaced. People come back from the dead. Barbara walking should not be something its taken this long to rectify

  18. Edwin:
    Except it doesn’t work in the context of the universe and never has.I get in arguments all the time with a friend of mine about this.In a world of super advanced science, magic and aliens- the idea that major diseases, paralysis or limb loss don’t have a cure or even a treatment is ludicrous.Cyborg had a solid 60+% of his body replaced.People come back from the dead.Barbara walking should not be something its taken this long to rectify

    To me, it wasn’t a matter of whether or not it made sense–it was simply the approach I preferred. It’s nice in a universe that CONSTANTLY re-writes itself, where no life-changing decision ever remains that way (which makes big events and crossovers super boring because you know in the end nothing will change), that for once a big change stayed permanent. In the end, it almost appears that–gasp!–Babs wouldn’t change her state even if she could (and I’m sure Bruce would do it).

  19. The world isn’t that kind of paraplegics that it’s cool if she stays in the chair. It’s not just a humbling experience. There are places she will never be able to go BECAUSE of her paralysis.

    Yes, I know there are paraplegics who can climb mountains and do all sorts of stuff I’m too chicken to do. I also know there are plenty who wouldn’t regret what it gave them… but I have a hard time believing that any of them would turn down getting use of their legs (bowel control, sexual function, feeling so they can detect injury) because of what that disability gave them. Even if she never wore tights again, even if she stayed oracle, the fact that it’s remained this long is INCONSISTENT with the way this universe works and it remians based solely on the power of plot convenience

  20. Edwin:Even if she never wore tights again, even if she stayed oracle, the fact that it’s remained this long is INCONSISTENT with the way this universe works and it remains based solely on the power of plot convenience

    I can agree with that. It’s kind of my point, after all. I’m happy to see that DC didn’t choose to undo a major change to one of its relatively major characters. In fact, I daresay Barbara is even more important in the DC Universe than she was before she was shot. It’s honestly kind of boring when comics throw up a “this changes EVERYTHING” moment and then undo it in a convenient crossover miniseries a year or two later. Nothing ever “sticks”.

    It doesn’t matter to me that it doesn’t make sense, but to you it does, and that’s fine.

  21. I can appreciate where you’re coming from. Things advanced and were allowed to stick. I would love to see changes that are permanent. I LIKE that Ralph and Sue Dibney are still dead. I just want consistent rules for how people treat this sort of thing. Despite sharing a universe, her paralysis operates on a whole other narrative law from the rest of that universe. They just needed excuses for WHY she wasn’t able to fix her spine and I would have been satisfiend… but I don’t think anyone ever bothered.

  22. Edwin: I can appreciate where you’re coming from.Things advanced and were allowed to stick.I would love to see changes that are permanent.I LIKE that Ralph and Sue Dibney are still dead.I just want consistent rules for how people treat this sort of thing.Despite sharing a universe, her paralysis operates on a whole other narrative law from the rest of that universe.They just needed excuses for WHY she wasn’t able to fix her spine and I would have been satisfiend… but I don’t think anyone ever bothered.

    Speaking of permanent changes in the Gothamverse, do you like that Jason Todd’s walking amongst the living again? I liked that he “showed up” in Hush, but I’m not so sure that I like that it wasn’t just a plot to fool with Batman/Bruce.

  23. *Does likewise*

    Almost everything they do with him is inherently terrible and his costume designs are just weak. I can get behind the idea of a former Robin who’s more rebellious and kind of a failure in Bruce’s eyes, but he comes across as more “frat boy” than Superhero/Supervillain

  24. to cartoony for me, though i adore the Robin costume, think batgirl looks too much like catwoman though, and i agree shouldnt weild a firearm. I also prefure Barb as a handicapped oricle. i think she is more interesting like that. still great designs, Batman and Robin are fresh.

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